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Re: Custom POI download - Police Speed Traps

Postby stratman2 » Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:31 am

msports wrote:Talking about speed trap...

I personally don't understand the way Mr PT in Malaysia doing their work... (it must be in relation with their intellectuality) I've been in most of the developed country, except USA. They do have a speed trap... but the purposed is to educate the motorist and only summon them when they brake the law after been given a warning for a couple of time in few hundred meter to the speed trap location. The reason why they did the speed trap is just to warn the motorist of a dangerous locations or in where often happen an accident. Normally they will put a camera warning sign at 500m, 300m and 200m to the speed trap location to warn the motorist to slow down for safety reason. And when we reach at the location, we can see the policemen when they are in operation (not hiding behind trees or under the bridges) or even be just a speed trap camera. The sign is permanently there, and it was fixed at the lamp post for good visibility.

But, think over the speed trap in Malaysia... what they have been doing is just not other then a punishment without doing an educating approach first. Not all the speed trap area in POI was located at a dangerous location. Not to count that some of the speed limits is just a ridiculous and un-reasonable. To me, Malaysia the speed trap, especially manually operated, is just for the purposed of ROBBING public's money? :$gone: :fire: It is not an accusation but it is a stupidity!!!




My thoughts exactly.

There's a big difference in setting up traps to deter motorists from speeding along known dangerous stretches and deliberately putting up traps in safe stretches to generate revenue. (I've heard that a percentage of summons collected goes into their funds and they have a quota to meet every month). :$gone:

My aged and retired father was once fined for "speeding" in a 60 km/h zone somewhere on the expressway near Cheras. He was doing only about 75 km/h, he wasn't familiar with the route and he did not realize that the police were doing speed trap operations. The car he was driving? An old 1985 model, Volvo 240GL, not some posh Merc CLS350! :fire:

It was the "saman ekor" type of operation in which the notice only arrives in your post a month later, sometimes for months. They don't post the photo of your car allegedly to be speeding together with the notice. You have to go to the police station and of all things - pay for the photographs to see the "evidence"! :x

I've also heard that owners of Ferraris often take their cars for a "leisurely drive" towards the F1 circuit on Sunday mornings, blasting the expressway at speeds of 280 km/h and above. Some radar guns can't register speeds over 300 km/h and Mr PDRM will just shrug it off - he couldn't do anything about it. They no longer use the infamous Volvo 850 Turbo stationwagons as these cars had been scrapped a long time ago due to very high maintenance costs. :-({|=

Once upon a time, the expressway police also briefly experimented with Proton Putras but for some reason discontinued using the Putra. Maybe they were no match for souped up Wiras with 4G63T VR4 engines and anything faster.

What do they have right now for chasing speedsters? Proton Waja 1.6 manual cars with standard suspension and wheels.. he he he... :mrgreen: The German autobahn police would use nothing slower than a BMW 530i for their highway patrolling duties. 8-)
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Re: Custom POI download - Police Speed Traps

Postby FauSham » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:20 am

msports wrote:Talking about speed trap...

I personally don't understand the way Mr PT in Malaysia doing their work... (it must be in relation with their intellectuality) I've been in most of the developed country, except USA. They do have a speed trap... but the purposed is to educate the motorist and only summon them when they brake the law after been given a warning for a couple of time in few hundred meter to the speed trap location. The reason why they did the speed trap is just to warn the motorist of a dangerous locations or in where often happen an accident. Normally they will put a camera warning sign at 500m, 300m and 200m to the speed trap location to warn the motorist to slow down for safety reason. And when we reach at the location, we can see the policemen when they are in operation (not hiding behind trees or under the bridges) or even be just a speed trap camera. The sign is permanently there, and it was fixed at the lamp post for good visibility.

But, think over the speed trap in Malaysia... what they have been doing is just not other then a punishment without doing an educating approach first. Not all the speed trap area in POI was located at a dangerous location. Not to count that some of the speed limits is just a ridiculous and un-reasonable. To me, Malaysia the speed trap, especially manually operated, is just for the purposed of ROBBING public's money? :$gone: :fire: It is not an accusation but it is a stupidity!!!


The answer is simple... They follow this slogan........
JALAN-JALAN laju, Polis CARI MAKAN

.... we have another 'peribahasa'........ SAMBIL MENYELAM MINUM AIR
This statement alwayz follow by our police traffic when do their job. Some PT members do for themselves(corruption) but If not for themselves but for government. They must completed how many 'saman' per month. That what PT follow. So, 'sambil menyaman', they 'kutip duit rakyat' for our contry :champ:.
.....SO OUR POLICE TRAFFIC DO NOTHING TO EDUCATING OUR FAST AND FURIOS DRIVER.

HIDUP POLIS :champ: , HIDUP MALAYSIA :champ:

:rox:
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Re: Custom POI download - Police Speed Traps

Postby msports » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:50 am

stratman2 wrote:My thoughts exactly.

There's a big difference in setting up traps to deter motorists from speeding along known dangerous stretches and deliberately putting up traps in safe stretches to generate revenue. (I've heard that a percentage of summons collected goes into their funds and they have a quota to meet every month). :$gone:

My aged and retired father was once fined for "speeding" in a 60 km/h zone somewhere on the expressway near Cheras. He was doing only about 75 km/h, he wasn't familiar with the route and he did not realize that the police were doing speed trap operations. The car he was driving? An old 1985 model, Volvo 240GL, not some posh Merc CLS350! :fire:

It was the "saman ekor" type of operation in which the notice only arrives in your post a month later, sometimes for months. They don't post the photo of your car allegedly to be speeding together with the notice. You have to go to the police station and of all things - pay for the photographs to see the "evidence"! :x ......


Bro Stratman, isn't that ridiculously stupid for 60km/h on expressway. :fire: It is understandable if it is close to the toll plaza... I do think those who are making a decision on putting below 80km/h on expressway are really dump! :nutz: :ko:

Back on PDRM issues, do their existence is to assist and helping people???? :x Seem like now they're missing their objective... (getting more fund from public for their own :x stomach). I really do appreciate for what their doing, standing under the hot sun or rainy days for controlling the traffics at the intersection whenever the traffic light failed. (isn't that what they're suppose to do after all?). I agree if they do frequent operation on 'mat rempit' or after midnight speedsters because most of them are doing just for fun. (but not by throwing a chairs or anything to them when they trying to escape... as shown on TV. It really shows how stupid they are in reacting in such situation. I believe it is a miss conduct... in that case, what is the registration number or all the high tech equipment such camera for????). :nutz:
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Re: Custom POI download - Police Speed Traps

Postby msports » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:07 am

FauSham wrote:The answer is simple... They follow this slogan........
JALAN-JALAN laju, Polis CARI MAKAN

.... we have another 'peribahasa'........ SAMBIL MENYELAM MINUM AIR
This statement alwayz follow by our police traffic when do their job. Some PT members do for themselves(corruption) but If not for themselves but for government. They must completed how many 'saman' per month. That what PT follow. So, 'sambil menyaman', they 'kutip duit rakyat' for our contry :champ:.
.....SO OUR POLICE TRAFFIC DO NOTHING TO EDUCATING OUR FAST AND FURIOS DRIVER.

HIDUP POLIS :champ: , HIDUP MALAYSIA :champ:

:rox:


Bro FauSham!
Their existence is to helping people and enforce the law with a big rational. Not by quota???? What is that????? stupidest policy!!! :fire: If that is their motto or slogan .... they them self are braking the law by doing so.... then this nation will falls sooner or later! we cannot trust on enforcement officer anymore! who should we depending on??? a lot of bad example in the other side of the world... just we've never learn!!!
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Re: Custom POI download - Police Speed Traps

Postby musang_pulut » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:17 am

stratman

pls do some modification to the icon
make it transparent would be nice

To others road pois also
T-junction on national/state roads
Sharp & dangerous road bends v1
Red light camera v1
Expressway rest area v5
Touch'n Go reload counters
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Re: Custom POI download - Police Speed Traps

Postby stratman2 » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:20 am

musang_pulut wrote:stratman

pls do some modification to the icon
make it transparent would be nice

To others road pois also
T-junction on national/state roads
Sharp & dangerous road bends v1
Red light camera v1
Expressway rest area v5
Touch'n Go reload counters



I have experimented with transparent icons using RGB (255,0,255) or magenta color. They still show up on my map when my Nuvi switches to night time display mode. Opaque icons would be better as they provide more contrast.
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Re: Custom POI download - Police Speed Traps

Postby loitc » Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:32 pm

This stretch is no more 60KM/H. It is now 80KM/H.
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Re: Custom POI download - Police Speed Traps

Postby stratman2 » Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:46 pm

loitc wrote:This stretch is no more 60KM/H. It is now 80KM/H.



Updated. :good: :tq:
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Re: Custom POI download - Police Speed Traps

Postby keat » Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:06 am

stratman2 wrote:
keat wrote:Hi stratman2

Where and how should i report a wrong speed limit Speedtrap POI? #-o



You can post it in this current thread or you can also PM me. :)


Bro,

Here are the two speed limit correction and one red light camera at JB area.

One suggestion on those highway 110km speedtrap alert, sometime i find the alert appears too late/too near to exact speed trap position. I do not know what is the current alert distance before hitting 110km speedtrap, I personally think that additional 0.5/1km on top of current alert distance will be better. This is just my opinion, maybe some other bros find it is good enough.

Anyway, thanks for the good work. :good:
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Re: Custom POI download - Police Speed Traps

Postby stratman2 » Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:23 am

keat wrote:Bro,

Here are the two speed limit correction and one red light camera at JB area.

One suggestion on those highway 110km speedtrap alert, sometime i find the alert appears too late/too near to exact speed trap position. I do not know what is the current alert distance before hitting 110km speedtrap, I personally think that additional 0.5/1km on top of current alert distance will be better. This is just my opinion, maybe some other bros find it is good enough.

Anyway, thanks for the good work. :good:



Brother Keat,

Thank you for your inputs, much appreciated. :thumbsup:


Allow me to explain something about speed trap locations.


1. The data in the speed trap cPOI are legacy submissions from various contributors from the past from MSM (yes, I am also an MSM member). The problem is, when I examine the POIs of the traps - it's not mentioned whether the coordinates are where the police hide with their trap cameras or where they stop motorists to issue fines. Obviously, I have no way of knowing this just by looking at Mapsource. Common sense tells me that the cameras are always placed about 1 km away from the spot that they flag you down.

2. There is always the probability that the police will shift their camera locations now and then, to avoid being predictable. When they get predictable, regular motorists plying the stretch will always know when to slow down - and when to speed. Agreed? :D

3. If a location of a speed trap turns out to be the spot where vehicles are stopped (and not the camera's actual position), it's obvious that the camera is placed further away. Which explains why you got the warning rather late.


That said, I can easily alter the proximity distances stretching to 2 kms for 110km/h expressways if the majority wishes so. :thumbsup:
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